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BlackBerry Gives Their Comments on S4BB’s 47,000+ BlackBerry 10 Apps

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BlackBerry has come out and commented on the fact that a single developer is responsible for almost 40% of the apps in BlackBerry World. They do have a good point that market forces can dictate if an app will be downloaded but that really is just a lame excuse. I personally have nothing against S4BB but I would rather BlackBerry World have a beautiful deck of top shelf titles that BlackBerry is working on instead of promoting bottom feeder useless apps. Here is what BlackBerry had to say about the S4BB apps:

“Developers in all app stores employ a number of different monetization tactics. BlackBerry World is an open market for developers and we let market forces dictate the success or failure of these tactics,” said BlackBerry spokesman Adam Emery. “Discoverability in overcrowded stores continues to be an issue affecting all developers. This is why we have worked hand in hand with developers on the Built for BlackBerry program to help showcase apps and games that exemplify the power of BlackBerry 10.”

That is a weak response. BlackBerry essentially is saying that overcrowding is an issue yet leaves it up to market forces to fix the problem. Maybe if they just put a filter in BlackBerry World to only show you apps that have been downloaded more than a certain number of times after being available for a certain number of months. What do you think BlackBerry should be doing? Maybe a recommendation system or simply showing you how many times an app has been downloaded like other app stores?

I am all about BlackBerry focusing on the 100 apps I want along with the 1000 tops apps most people request constantly. The question is what value the 120,000 app number has once you remove the S4BB, Mippin, and shoddy unoptimized android ports causing the overcrowding issue.

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  1. What ronen wanted to hear from BBRY is:

    “By orders of Ronen Almighty all S4BB apps are now decommissioned, specially Poland City Guide for Gdynia, because Ronen hates that city.”

    • 47,000 applications is 1 application a day for 128.77 years. Quite seriously, you lose all credibility pretending this is some issue on Ronen’s part and not an actual concern. You mentioned in a comment to another article that the S4BB applications were quality ones. Really? Even if they and the BlackBerry platform had been around for 128 years they would’ve had to make one quality application a day FOR 128 YEARS to get the number they have now.

      • I don’t see how is BlackBerry fault that a single person did 47,000.
        Factors I love BlackBerry:
        1. Amazing gesture navigation
        2. Real Time Multitasking
        3. Flash on the web
        4. All the apps I need are in my cellphone (200 apps includying netflix and spotify).
        5. HUB!!!!

        Factors I hate BlackBerry:
        1. No more PlayBook support
        2. They are not pushing their limits by offering top notch specs

        You see? all of these factors are controlled, originated and maintained by BlackBerry all along.

        3. A developer submitted 47,000 apps ??

        That is not my business I have no problem with apps whatsoever and even if there are 700,000 apps from S4BB I still find all my apps, seriously, there isn’t an app that you can’t find because it get lost on the 47,000 guides.

        • +1

        • Man you’re right. the developer like s4bb pull the blackberry image down. 99% of all apps in BBRY AppWorld are crap

        • Part of the reason they’re getting so much flak for this is because when BlackBerry was pushing OS10 last year Heins was widely quoted as taking a dig at other app stores by saying that BlackBerry didn’t have 1500 solitaire apps because that wasn’t what BlackBerry was about. Well, apparently it is.

          “You see? all of these factors are controlled, originated and maintained by BlackBerry all along.”

          BlackBerry wanted a walled garden (they’re in control of what’s in it – they’re responsible for what’s approved even if they didn’t create it) and they created an app store with few of the benefits of one and all of the drawbacks. The whole concept of the app store isn’t just so they can get a cut of the sales, theoretically it was so they could maintain quality control and be better than the wild west of Android, yet still not be as judgemental as the Apple store.

          “there isn’t an app that you can’t find because it get lost on the 47,000 guides.”

          You can find an application if you know the name, but, as pointed out in a previous comment from me, a poor category structure and search feature does affect the amount of time it takes to find applications and the number of applications you have to weed through to find it.

          One of the companies I worked for was a small business that managed to compete with a large company that was putting others in their field out of business. Part of our success was having a website that made it easy to browse a subject and find top products in each subject.

          Anyone that does web design knows the longer a person has to spend looking for something, the less likely they are to stay long enough to do it. When I was looking for RSS applications or radio applications I had to weed through too may site-specific applications to find one that was for general RSS or radio. It took way longer than it should have and became a chore instead of a simple task.

          If I was looking for a dictionary application and had to find it buried in 200,000 ‘dictionary’ applications that each only defined one word, I’d be unlikely to browse long enough to find what I was looking for, which wouldn’t likely leave me with a positive impression of the BlackBerry brand. It also makes developers less likely to develop for the platform if they know it’ll be harder to get their application seen.

          You may not see how this affects BlackBerry, but truly successful businesses give customers positive experiences from start to finish. This is something they could easily address if they wanted to, but I guess it’s easier just to say they don’t have 1500 solitaire apps because that’s not what they’re about.

    • Yes Edward something along those lines. 🙂 Nah I just want an end for the crap apps. They just need to focus on the top apps people want and then get good developers to create good BlackBerry apps not this crap that helps no one.

  2. The BlackBerry response is kind of sad and just pushes people towards their Built for BlackBerry program (I believe it’s still free for now, but their original intention was to charge a fee for that certification), which doesn’t really address the concern.

    One developer having that many applications in the store makes it harder for people to browse applications since they’ll keep seeing one particular company’s applications. I noticed this yesterday night when I was looking at map applications and some that provided worldwide maps were hard to find in amongst ones that were for individual cities (S4BB wasn’t to blame in that particular case, it was another company). I had to scroll endlessly to find what I was looking for and it took way longer than it should have. I was tempted a few times to just stop looking and forget about it.

    If a company were particularly unethical (not saying S4BB did this), they could meter it out to always have a solid presence in the new applications section to increase their exposure to as many people as possible. In short, without protections against it, the system is open to gaming.

    In some ways it reminds me of SEO (Search Engine Optimization) and the people who are always looking to game that. Google and other serach engines constantly change their algorithms to limit manipulation and try to bring the quality sites to the top. BlackBerry’s hands off approach hurts the consumer, which ultimately hurts BlackBerry.

    I liked your suggestion of ‘downgrading’ search results for applications that hadn’t been downloaded as much.

    Another thing they could do, is if multiple applications are submitted for one tag category, use a google-like “show more results like this” link. That is, if I just search something generic like “maps” it would show 50 programs, and if one company had 150 map applications it would show one of their applications – the most relevant one (based on GPS or something) – and a link under it saying, “Show more results like this.” rather than showing all 150 of the applications from that company. This would keep the list mangeable, but still allow those who wanted to go deeper to do so. Obviously, if the search was for something more specific like, “Hamilton maps” and the company only had 2 products that matched that and there were only 10 products total, they could leave the results as is.

    They’d have to play around with the most ‘abused’ categories to figure out what each refinement needed (like maybe asking if the user wants general use applications or applications for a particular area, etc.).

    I know when I was looking for RSS applications it was annoying to have to root through ones for single sites to try and find ones that accepted RSS subscription links, and similarly, finding a good Radio program was hindered by applications created to push one particular station.

  3. Charge devs $10 per new app submission after 100 apps.

  4. Honestly, I, IOS and Android have thousands and thousands of garbage fart apps. I’m more concerned that BlackBerry get the top apps that consumers want – filtering can come later. Hopefully this new 10.2 update performs as advertised and allows 4.2 Jellybean runtime with the ability to download apps without the need to sideload.

  5. Blackberry needs to just go away. Nobody cares anymore. Less than 1.5% of the North American market has one and the battle for the third world customer base is being lost to Android and soon to the budget iPhone. Their joke of an app store is just one more reason to laugh at them.

    • Your 1.5% North American statement is a joke. Not even close, BB10 has been gaining market share since the launch of BB10 and climbing.
      Are you forgetting Android and iOS has 100’s of thousands of Fart Apps.

  6. According to this article (, German) S4BB is run by the same people as Skylab Mobilesystems:

    That’s another about 450 apps (BB10), for the most part maps.

  7. With update 10.2 coming, you can add the entire Android App’s to the list of BB10 apps. The Android App Player v4.2 looks very promising in the update.

    Many have been reporting that its extremely easy to download and install via the App Player apps like Netflix and Instagram. They seem to be working as if they were native to BB10.

    This is what BlackBerry needs to concentrate on doing. Use Android to help push the best mobile platform in the world, BB10 into peoples hands.

  8. I’ll just leave it at this…
    Why have an approval process if your approval process is useless other than to barricade useful updates for a while?

    All the crap, spam still gets through, but useful releases and updates take longer…

    Either have a more rigid approval process (ala IOS) or get rid of it completely (android). This inbetween crap is useless.

  9. I don’t mind if 100% of the apps have the vendor name “RIM”. If they yield value, then no issue.

  10. BTW, take a look at meXev, a formula builder app, by an unknown developer. It is a gem !

  11. all platforms have useless Apps. This is just another article dumping on Blackberry.

    The best response they could have made is of the top 100 Apps on iOS and Android Blackberry has #. and end it at that. That number should be 80+ or they are not doing their job.

    I’ve always said they should have designed the OS to allow the use of Android Apps. That would allow a refocus on the OS which is actually pretty good. By being arrogant they keeps the focus on the apps they don’t have.

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