Windows Live Messenger Comes to BlackBerry 10

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  1. Have Z10. BlackBerry world says unavailable for this device…..

    • Hmm I don’t have my Z10 on me but it could be not available for it? What does it say on the website?

      • The ported Android Skype app is currently officially available for the Q10 only. Versions of it for the Z10 are floating around, but it’s my understanding that these are user-ported, not official.

        • the Z10 version is the Q10 version taken from the Q10

          it could very well be the exact same version that will come to the Z10

          only time will tell

  2. Hey Ronen,

    I thought they were going to rebrand Messenger as Skype

  3. So BlackBerry released a messaging client for a network that was retired (except in China) in April? For one that will be completely unplugged later this year?

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/messenger/messenger-to-skype

    Windows announced its WLM to Skype migration MONTHS ago. So wouldn’t it have been a better use of BlackBerry’s engineering efforts to, oh, say, create a native BlackBerry 10 app for Skype? One that was available for Z10 at launch?

    *shakes head* I just simply don’t get it.

    • Super easy to explain. All of the BlackBerry developed IM clients use the same backend and the windows messenger backed is already developed. Many companies also use it for their internal messaging system so BlackBerry anyways had to develop it.

      When it comes to skype that is all new and also has to be developed by Skype since they do not open those APIs

      • Ronen, I don’t use Windows IM so I have no idea, but, does it work with Skype chat clients?

        So people on Skype chat can IM with people no Windows Live IM?

      • Technological and product management logic aside, the end result is the same: Consumers are (or were) left without certain apps that they consider requirements.

        Again I’ll ask, where’s Skype (it’s here for Q10, coming for Z10), where’s Spotify, where’s Hulu, where’s Netflix?

        Putting the onus on these companies to develop the apps is partly fair. But responsibility also lies with BlackBerry for having failed (in the eyes of the consumer) to leverage or build strategic relationships with these partners that would help guarantee these (and more!) top-tier apps would be available at launch.

        Yes, yes, BlackBerry is a tool, not a toy. But let’s think for a moment about those toys that iOS and Android users have come to depend on. So in order to lure existing iOS and Android users away from those platforms to (back to?) BlackBerry, those things have to be there.

        I’m speaking from very, very personal experience. I’ve had my Galaxy Nexus since September 2012, and I’ve been DYING to get the Z10. I had one… for two weeks. I returned it because while the typing and multitasking experience was far better, I simply couldn’t live without critical streaming media and business apps. Specifically business apps like Microsoft Lync or OCS, and Skype. And streaming media apps like Spotify and Hulu+.

        Without these, I felt cut off from my media and more disturbingly cut off from my colleagues. I had hoped to prove that BlackBerry helped make me a more productive person with my Z10, but what I found was that other than email, I was scrambling for ways to keep in touch with people around the globe. (Skype is CRITICAL for this.) And without the enjoyment of my favorite streaming media, I was left with a hodge-podge of half-baked music apps, or very nice professionally-built BB10 apps that didn’t deliver the same robust catalog of music as Spotify offers.

        It’s just all together so very disappointing. And super frustrating, because I am (not was) a die-hard BlackBerry fanatic. I’ll definitely shell out the $600 for a Z10 again, but only when it’s ready. Hopefully that’ll be soon.

        • Your issues are completely valid

          • It gives me no pleasure to be so vocal about them either. I’m just frustrated. My choices are iOS (a fate worse than death) or Android (I’m not a 20-something gamer). And while Windows 8 is very, very compelling… it’s…. Well, it’s Windows. Though of the three choices, it’s quickly becoming an attractive choice, save for the lack of apps.

            I want my smartphone to be smart. To be sophisticated. To be well-built. To be a *tool*. And BlackBerry has all of that. But I’m not JUST a businessman. Between 5PM and 5AM, I’m a regular old person that wants distraction.

            Music. Movies. Mindless IMing with my friends.

            People who get shit done want to do things when their shit IS done.

            • Hi Jeff,
              You have a valid point with some of those US specific apps. BlackBerry has some serious work to do with media companies and financial companies in the US. Its a chicken and egg problem though. The companies want to see device traction before committing to develop while users are looking for the developed apps before committing to the OS.

              In short if you have to have Hulu or Netflix on the go I agree with you. They are sort of useless for me in the US since many of us are on limited and even shared data plans so both of those are out the window. When it comes to the streaming music apps expect to see more of them since they are easy to bring over. Video apps are trickier.

              • Interestingly though, Ronan, one of the biggest advocates of the Z10 at launch (at least from my perspective) was T-Mobile, which is pushing unsubsidized unlimited data and voice packages. I myself have one of their legacy $20 all-you-can-eat 4G data plans. And with a $25 500 minute voice plan, you can understand why I was so excited to get their first 4G LTE device AND that it was a BlackBerry.

                But I found myself compromising at every turn.

                No Spotify? Try just loading MP3s. (Man, that music player is no better than PlayBook. And here I am, back to scavenging the Internet for music.) Or use Rdio. Or use Slacker. Or use TuneIn. Slacker and TuneIn are streaming radio services, and Rdio is sorta like Spotify, the same way that frozen chicken strips are like a bucket of KFC.

                No Netflix? Just side-load the user-ported one, it works! *record scratch* Side… lo… Wait, what? You mean play mad scientist with my new $600 smartphone? I found myself porting and side-loading all the apps from my Galaxy Nexus which was difficult and TIME CONSUMING. Again, I made a compromise. I wanted the Z10, so I had to do some of the work myself.

                No Lync? Heck, that’s great, because then you can disconnect from work. What? I thought it was tool for work? A tool for productivity? I can’t IM with my enterprise colleagues? WTF? I can do that with the Lync client for Android. (And c’mon… having Enterprise Instant Messaging should have been a #1 priority app-wise for BlackBerry 10.

                No Skype? Psh, who needs Skype?! Other than, like, I dunno, half the world where Skype is a primary means of communication. Including my colleagues in Bangalore, who I IM with on Skype ALL the time. But I could have used a 3rd party IM aggregator that included Skype. Fair enough… but what about video? *errrrrp* No video chat. *eyeroll*

                So look at what I was doing, look at community forums to see what other Z10 (and now Q10) owners were doing. Compromise. Compromise. Compromise.

                I thought BlackBerry 10 was to delivery the best mobile computing experience ever — no compromises?

                And I understand your chicken-and-the-egg argument, I just don’t buy it. There was plenty of evidence available to prove that some of these developers should at least attempt porting their apps to BB10. And in cases where developers wouldn’t and BlackBerry deemed it necessary to the advancement of the platform, it should have paid outright for the development and support of these apps.

                “Hey, it’ll be NO COST to you. We’ll build it, we’ll support it, you just approve its quality and put your name on it!”

                Instead? Instead there are 30,000 more (and excuse my candor here) CRAP apps on BlackBerry World. I mean, honestly… if you look at Google Play and iTunes, you KNOW that 95% of the apps there are just pieces of junk. WHY oh WHY would you WANT to have those apps on your platform? For the sake of quantity?

                It would have been better to have been able to publicise and market the CRAP out of the fact that the same top 100 apps per category that Play and iTunes have, BlackBerry World has. That’s all anyone wants anyway?

                What, it’s better to wade through 15,000 fart apps before finding an app that you really want? And some of those games… Pong anyone?

                So great, BlackBerry World has quantity. Fantastic. But it ain’t got quality. And considering how high quality the Z10 and the Q10 are, the rugs just don’t match the drapes, kids. It’s like buying a Mercedes S-Class and deciding to install Toyota Corolla seats inside.

                • Hi Jeff,

                  The BlackBerry 10 experience is definitely going to be a compromise in terms of app availability at first. For example, I am not happy that Slacker does not have offline music sync on the Z10 when they had it on older legacy BlackBerrys. On the other hand the older BlackBerrys had it years before iOS and Android so it simply takes time and demand.

                  In terms of music apps the built in one is pretty decent compared to what you get on iOS and Android which are pure crap. If you really want to step it up a notch try http://appworld.blackberry.com/webstore/content/128241/ which will blow your mind.

                  I agree that there are way too many crap apps in BlackBerry World but that is just the name of the app world game these days. Every market likes to say they have hundreds of thousands of fart apps and they needed to compete. In terms of quality apps they are actually further ahead of practically every other platform was in its first generation.

                  Don’t get me wrong BlackBerry needs to run like hell to catch up to the more mature platforms but the reasons I choose BlackBerry still stand. I actually carry a iOS and Android phone as a second phone every so often just to compare. It just blows my mind that they don’t even have the simple concepts such as a unified inbox or staying signed in to Google Talk on iOS.

                  In short every platform is a compromise. The trick is picking the one that makes you compromise the least on the features you actually need. For me that feature is getting things done (email, calendar, contacts, Google Talk, etc). If playing games were more important I would tell you to get an iOS or Android device.

                  I know for a fact that BlackBerry has offered quite a few large devs, Netflix and such, to send them developers to create apps and they have been playing the “lets watch and see first” game. Hopefully they will make some headway on these US specific apps shortly.

    • Well. It might be that at a certain date they simply change name of the messaging app to Skype Messenger.

      Same app, new name

      then its not wasted efforts really

  4. You require OS 10.1 for those that don’t have it yet.
    Which is yet to be released in my country. How annoying.

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