Comments on: RANT! $1,310 Per Megabyte For Text Messages http://www.berryreview.com/2008/07/02/rant-1310-per-megabyte-for-text-messages/ BlackBerry News and Reviews You Can Use Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:49:32 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Just How Bad Are Carriers Fleecing Us With Text Message Charges? | BerryReview.com » http://www.berryreview.com/2008/07/02/rant-1310-per-megabyte-for-text-messages/comment-page-1/#comment-17400 Just How Bad Are Carriers Fleecing Us With Text Message Charges? | BerryReview.com » Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:17:03 +0000 http://www.berryreview.com/?p=6001#comment-17400 [...] you remember a bit back we mentioned that text messages cost about $1,310 per megabyte to send. I know a little part of me justified it by saying that carriers need to keep up the network [...] [...] you remember a bit back we mentioned that text messages cost about $1,310 per megabyte to send. I know a little part of me justified it by saying that carriers need to keep up the network [...]

]]> By: DavidB http://www.berryreview.com/2008/07/02/rant-1310-per-megabyte-for-text-messages/comment-page-1/#comment-13880 DavidB Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:10:12 +0000 http://www.berryreview.com/?p=6001#comment-13880 SMS (and voice) are transmitted/received by carrier and your phone differently than other "data". As example, on Verizon, SMS and voice uses the CDMA connection and web browsing and PIN messaging and etc. uses the EVDO connection. Yes, they are both digital "data", but they are handled differently by both the carrier and your device. That is why they are treated differently by carriers. It is also why cell carriers are not real keen on VOIP for mobile devices, as your "calls" would then use your "data" connection rather than your "phone" connection, and they couldn't charge you "minutes" like they do now. BOTH SMS and voice are very inefficient in how they use the radio waves, but until your "phone" is just a "data" device (when 4G comes?) There will be this disparity inservices (and how we are charged for them). Hope that makes sense to you. Regardless of the logic, just because it is "text" does not mean it is "data". SMS is a "data" holdover from when cell phones were analog devices and had to "modulate" that text over the phone connection just like an old dialup modem has to "modulate" your PC web browsing over the landline telephone system (versus DSL or cablemodems that do it ALL digitally) that didn't understand "data". All the phone system understood was sound, just like cell phones only understood sound, and SMS was the cellular industry's way to offer you "data" over a connection that only understood "sound". SMS (and voice) are transmitted/received by carrier and your phone differently than other “data”. As example, on Verizon, SMS and voice uses the CDMA connection and web browsing and PIN messaging and etc. uses the EVDO connection. Yes, they are both digital “data”, but they are handled differently by both the carrier and your device. That is why they are treated differently by carriers. It is also why cell carriers are not real keen on VOIP for mobile devices, as your “calls” would then use your “data” connection rather than your “phone” connection, and they couldn’t charge you “minutes” like they do now. BOTH SMS and voice are very inefficient in how they use the radio waves, but until your “phone” is just a “data” device (when 4G comes?) There will be this disparity inservices (and how we are charged for them). Hope that makes sense to you. Regardless of the logic, just because it is “text” does not mean it is “data”. SMS is a “data” holdover from when cell phones were analog devices and had to “modulate” that text over the phone connection just like an old dialup modem has to “modulate” your PC web browsing over the landline telephone system (versus DSL or cablemodems that do it ALL digitally) that didn’t understand “data”. All the phone system understood was sound, just like cell phones only understood sound, and SMS was the cellular industry’s way to offer you “data” over a connection that only understood “sound”.

]]> By: Wolfger http://www.berryreview.com/2008/07/02/rant-1310-per-megabyte-for-text-messages/comment-page-1/#comment-13877 Wolfger Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:25:40 +0000 http://www.berryreview.com/?p=6001#comment-13877 DavidB: I'd like to know your definition of "data". SMS *is* data, and it *is* sent across the air. So is your voice when you call somebody. So clearly you're not communicating your idea very well. What makes voice/SMS data different from, say, web browsing or e-mail data? DavidB: I’d like to know your definition of “data”. SMS *is* data, and it *is* sent across the air. So is your voice when you call somebody. So clearly you’re not communicating your idea very well. What makes voice/SMS data different from, say, web browsing or e-mail data?

]]> By: DavidB http://www.berryreview.com/2008/07/02/rant-1310-per-megabyte-for-text-messages/comment-page-1/#comment-13874 DavidB Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:54:50 +0000 http://www.berryreview.com/?p=6001#comment-13874 Right, but still, SMS isn't data and isn't sent across the air like data. It is a kludge of sending text bytes across phone airwaves, and costs the carriers far more to implement and support than does sending text bytes over a data connection. Are the fees unreasonable? Yes. Is there a better way? Yes, but not with the ubiquity of SMS. Right, but still, SMS isn’t data and isn’t sent across the air like data. It is a kludge of sending text bytes across phone airwaves, and costs the carriers far more to implement and support than does sending text bytes over a data connection. Are the fees unreasonable? Yes. Is there a better way? Yes, but not with the ubiquity of SMS.

]]> By: Wolfger http://www.berryreview.com/2008/07/02/rant-1310-per-megabyte-for-text-messages/comment-page-1/#comment-13867 Wolfger Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:17:09 +0000 http://www.berryreview.com/?p=6001#comment-13867 Well, each character is only 1 byte if they are using ASCII. Switch to UTF and all bets are off. A single UTF-8 character can be quite a few bytes long. Plus there's the overhead of the SMS wrapper, which is a constant number of bytes regardless of message length. Of course, you still arrived at the right conclusion. SMS fees are ridiculous profiteering by cell companies because they've got us by the balls. Well, each character is only 1 byte if they are using ASCII. Switch to UTF and all bets are off. A single UTF-8 character can be quite a few bytes long.
Plus there’s the overhead of the SMS wrapper, which is a constant number of bytes regardless of message length.

Of course, you still arrived at the right conclusion. SMS fees are ridiculous profiteering by cell companies because they’ve got us by the balls.

]]> By: Verizon Trying To Kill 3rd Party SMS Services | BerryReview.com » http://www.berryreview.com/2008/07/02/rant-1310-per-megabyte-for-text-messages/comment-page-1/#comment-13849 Verizon Trying To Kill 3rd Party SMS Services | BerryReview.com » Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:22:17 +0000 http://www.berryreview.com/?p=6001#comment-13849 [...] I still cant get over the fact that SMS messages cost about $1,310 per megabyte!!! [...] [...] I still cant get over the fact that SMS messages cost about $1,310 per megabyte!!! [...]

]]> By: Steal This Idea » The iPhone Love/Hate List http://www.berryreview.com/2008/07/02/rant-1310-per-megabyte-for-text-messages/comment-page-1/#comment-12584 Steal This Idea » The iPhone Love/Hate List Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:08:15 +0000 http://www.berryreview.com/?p=6001#comment-12584 [...] being charged even more text messages (about $1310 per megabyte) [...] [...] being charged even more text messages (about $1310 per megabyte) [...]

]]> By: DavidB http://www.berryreview.com/2008/07/02/rant-1310-per-megabyte-for-text-messages/comment-page-1/#comment-9411 DavidB Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:06:58 +0000 http://www.berryreview.com/?p=6001#comment-9411 "are essentially tiny packets of data." Well, sorta. SMS is sent via your cellular voice service, NOT your data service. SMS works ubiquitously regardless of if a user has a data service or not, hence the carriers feel they can charge these extra fees for it. I was paying $10/month extra for unlimited SMS via Verizon, but found that I was MAYBE receiving 100 and sending 10 or 15 a month. Those 100 or so I was receiving are all data services (sports and weather) I can get via Viigo Tango now for free, and the wife and I can PIN/BBMessenger each other, so I've canceled that $10/month as well as enabled the SMS block that Verizon offers (so I don't get hit with unwanted incoming SMS charges). “are essentially tiny packets of data.”
Well, sorta. SMS is sent via your cellular voice service, NOT your data service. SMS works ubiquitously regardless of if a user has a data service or not, hence the carriers feel they can charge these extra fees for it. I was paying $10/month extra for unlimited SMS via Verizon, but found that I was MAYBE receiving 100 and sending 10 or 15 a month. Those 100 or so I was receiving are all data services (sports and weather) I can get via Viigo Tango now for free, and the wife and I can PIN/BBMessenger each other, so I’ve canceled that $10/month as well as enabled the SMS block that Verizon offers (so I don’t get hit with unwanted incoming SMS charges).

]]> By: RANT! The Promising BlackBerry Wallet - What Happened? | BerryReview http://www.berryreview.com/2008/07/02/rant-1310-per-megabyte-for-text-messages/comment-page-1/#comment-9397 RANT! The Promising BlackBerry Wallet - What Happened? | BerryReview Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:30:26 +0000 http://www.berryreview.com/?p=6001#comment-9397 [...] know 2 rants in one day is a bit much but I am curious to learn what happened to this promising application. We told [...] [...] know 2 rants in one day is a bit much but I am curious to learn what happened to this promising application. We told [...]

]]> By: Ronen Halevy http://www.berryreview.com/2008/07/02/rant-1310-per-megabyte-for-text-messages/comment-page-1/#comment-9374 Ronen Halevy Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:55:24 +0000 http://www.berryreview.com/?p=6001#comment-9374 Yeah its just crazy that I pay $45 on AT&T for unlimited data and then get hosed on SMS charges that are essentially tiny packets of data. Yeah its just crazy that I pay $45 on AT&T for unlimited data and then get hosed on SMS charges that are essentially tiny packets of data.

]]> By: hcdemon http://www.berryreview.com/2008/07/02/rant-1310-per-megabyte-for-text-messages/comment-page-1/#comment-9373 hcdemon Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:50:42 +0000 http://www.berryreview.com/?p=6001#comment-9373 I agree that is crazy (nice to have unlimited for $15) but I average 2500 a month. However if you figure the math on 160 bytes into 1MB, you are looking at 6553.6 txt messages to reach that goal. I am sure that a lot of people have done it, but I am also sure they are/were on unlimited txting. Still crazy though. I agree that is crazy (nice to have unlimited for $15) but I average 2500 a month. However if you figure the math on 160 bytes into 1MB, you are looking at 6553.6 txt messages to reach that goal. I am sure that a lot of people have done it, but I am also sure they are/were on unlimited txting. Still crazy though.

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